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It makes me uneasy when too many people agree with me…

All over the place, I see signs that people agree with me, and it’s making me increasingly uncomfortable:

  1. The End of the Bond Bull Market: Barry Ritholz writes in The Big Picture that the bond bull market we’ve been seeing since 1981 looks like it might be ending. He uses charts to like this to make his point:2-5-10-Monthly-30-year-USTThe problem is that I agree with his assessment. The model for the monetary authorities was Japan, which was able to ramp up QE, keep zombie banks alive for 20 years, and borrow at 0%. The US, however, is not in the same position. We are not a nation of savers, like the Japanese, so we can’t self fund our low rates, for starters. Our QE will not end with low rates.
  2. We spoke weeks ago about going long the dollar versus the Euro and the Yen. Part of the motivation of that trade was that speculative positions had gotten too one-sided against the dollar. Another part was the insight that Europe and Japan were not in better economic positions as the currency market was implying. Well, that too seems to have become more mainstream as the DXY has gone from low 70’s to high 70’s-low 80’s. And then I read that there are the largest ever speculative short positions against the Euro: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/0330ba78-149f-11df-9ea1-00144feab49a.html. Now $8 billion might not sound like a lot given the numbers our Congress throws around, but it is a large floor (implied bid) for the Euro as these shorts need to cover at some point.

Just some morning thoughts.

Pimco’s Gross boosting cash position

Yes, cash is an asset class. And yes, some of the best managers use it, especially if they see opportunities on the way. This move by Gross (to raise cash) is actually incredibly deflationary on his part. It’s saying that cash will outperform bonds. Cash hoarding in anticipation of lower prices is a deflation bet and I believe others are moving in that direction more and more, not willing to lend out their cash, even to sovereigns…even to Uncle Sam.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=afujGCGEdlp8&pos=3

The fact that Congress is raising the debt ceiling, certainly doesn’t lend confidence to the Treasury market, especially given last weeks performance : http://www.marketwatch.com/story/house-aims-to-pass-debt-increase-jobs-bill-2009-12-16

Notes from underground – Yra Harris

Good evening to our readers and we have to say that the frequency of negative divergence of the carry trade is increasing. Today we saw the equities get hit and the dollar traded higher as to the pattern, but the commodities actually traded to the strong side. Gold and silver were sold off with the dollar rally but by closing time had rallied back to trade higher on the day. When the SPS were down 20 figures the long end of the debt market were putting on an impressive rally but wound up the day a few ticks higher. It appears that change is in the air which is a good thing. We appreciate that markets are dynamic and that dynamism provides opportunity to the prepared and informed.
The debt markets are interesting as they have been the fly in the ointment. The smart money would have bet that with a weak dollar, rising equity markets and strong commodities that notes and bonds would have taken a beating. It is not just U.S. debt markets that have surprised but bunds, gilts and JGBs have all rallied into what is easily seen as negative fundamentals. The Japanese and British markets have rallied strongly ever since FITCH threatened that their ratings would be cut. As we always caution, check the technicals and see the pattern and discern that everything but the gilts are above their moving averages. Interesting to think what this may be signaling. We would also add that as strong as the long end has been the short end has out-performed as the steep curves have begun to steepen further. Some pundits believe that the FED wants to steepen the curve further but we are not certain that is easy to do from these present levels. It would take the bond vigilantes to really exert some major selling as there are still many deflationists waiting to buy. Also the banks that don’t wish to lend money are always inthe wings waiting to surf the curve. Tomorrow will be a good test to see if the TREASURY market can muster some renewed strength going into the weekend.
The DOLLAR is trading higher tonight on rumors of intervention by some ASIAN central banks but we tend not to give much credence to these spinmeisters. We will not go into Geithner’s testimony today as our views have been known and we care not at all about the political posing that was done at the hearing. The most notable posturing was done by Senator Schumer who claimed the high ground on the Chinese reval issue but this is nothing new as he and Senator Graham have been here before. We will not go into it tonight but one day soon we will provide a comprehensive history of the Reminbi. Everyone should be aware that with so much posturing there might be intervention as to give a quick gift to the Asians for some quid pro quo on Chinese movement. The number of speeches and editorials make us think that something is up and Schumer’s attempt to get out in front of it today is more fodder prompting this idea.
Europe announced their President and Foreign Minister today and the word milquetoast comes to mind. For a political entity straining to find its place in the global hierarchy these two choices make Neville Chamberlain look like Churchill. The President is that dynamic, forceful Van Rompuy the prime minister of Belgium—wow this is a choice that will make Donald Rumsfeld shake in his bunker. The Foreign Minister is non other then LADY ASHTON who is presently the European trade commissioner. The powerful Ashton just today lost a vote on extending anti-dumping duties on Chinese and Vietnam made shoes. She didn’t even prevail within the European Union on an insignificant issue and is the Global Forum supposed to give her the respect that Europe so desires? Laughable doesn’t quite do this justice.Will Europe ever really live up to its potential?
Another reason we are concerned about some coordinated action on the DOLLAR is the continued efforts at putting some form of exchange controls on by the emerging markets trying to stem the appreciation of their currencies. First was Brazil, then Taiwan, and now Indonesia is making noises about exchange controls. Nothing scares Bernanke and all the bankers on wall street and Threadneedle than the imposition of exchange controls—these types of events may spur the FED to act in the short term just to placate those who are complaining about U.S. complacency. We are just advising caution and remember the White House jobs summit doesn’t begin until December 3rd. Short window for action.

Fed’s Evans: Rate Hikes ‘Some Time Down the Road’

This is from the WSJ today … speaking at the Council on Foreign Relations, the Fed’s Chicago President, Evan’s, stated that interest rates will rise at some point, by some amount in the future. Is this even news? Is that surprising? The question for investors now, as always, is what predictive value does this contain? We will always point to the three requirements for predictive value: does it give us insight into timing? magnitude? or location of impact? Any 2 out of 3 are not sufficient!!! So let’s look…timing: sometime in the future. magnitude: he’d be a fool to quote that at this stage of a recovery. where will it impact: well, first order will be the bond and fixed income world, second will be everything else that depends on financing. Hmmm. Can’t take that anywhere.

While interest rate hikes lie some time off, it’s likely a future tightening cycle will have to be more aggressive than what was seen over the last cycle of raising rates.

 

“We are going to want to be more aggressive” compared with the tightening cycle that occurred between 2004 and 2006, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago President Charles Evans said Wednesday.

 

That tightening cycle was referred to as gradual and occurred in modest, steady increments. Evans said the pace of action then was not a major driver of the housing and financial market problems that ended up causing the recession. Instead, the official said that the Fed could have likely reached the end point of its rate hike cycle more quickly and that bigger rate hikes would not have been particularly harmful to the economy.

 

Evans also said that when it comes to rate hikes and major unwinding of other emergency support programs now, a shift lies “some time down the road.” In reaching a determination of whether rate hikes are needed, Evans said that “we are going to be looking very carefully at how the economic recovery is preceding,” and will be watching inflation and unemployment measures.

 

“As the economy continues to improve, and when we see rising inflation pressures, Fed policy will respond aggressively,” Evans said. When the time does come to raise rates, “we could have a pretty reasonable withdrawal of accommodation.”

 

Most Fed officials who have spoken recently have offered similar sentiments, and indicated the current zero percent interest rate policy stance will be maintained for some time, likely into 2010.

 

Evans added that he would prefer to see inflation at 2% and noted “at the moment we are under-running that,” amid price pressures that are “relatively muted.”

 

Evans sees inflation ranging around 1.5% and said expectations for future price gains are “pretty anchored.” He also said “neither a harmful deflationary episode nor a repetition of the Great Inflation [from 1965 to 1982] is very likely.”

 

The official said more broadly, the recovery “is beginning to start” and growth is likely to range around 2.5% to 3% into next year.

 

Evans was speaking before a gathering held by the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. The policy maker is a voting member of the interest rate setting Federal Open Market Committee. He spoke as the economy appears to be emerging from the worst recession since the Great Depression, amid continued trouble in labor markets.

 

He foresees continued trouble in the employment sector, and reckons the unemployment rate, now at 9.7%, will breach 10% before moving downward.

 

Evans expects the central bank to buy all the mortgage-backed securities it said it would buy, even as the economy shows signs of recovering.

 

“It’s a fair question” to ask if the Fed needs to buy all the securities it had originally planned to buy. “I would expect we continue with the entire amount” given the beneficial impact the program has had so far, Evans said.

 

He was referring to the Fed’s plans to buy up to $1.25 trillion in agency mortgage-backed securities and $200 billion in agency securities. The Fed will wind up a program to buy $300 billion in Treasury debt in October, having extended the buying period but not the size of the effort.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/09/09/feds-evans-rate-hikes-some-time-down-the-road/

Connect the dots 6-10-09: Part I

We’re going to start the weekend with our weekly market monitors.

Market Monitor

 

relative-returns-monitor

What do we have here? This year is full of stress, but looking at the broad averages, the S&P is down slightly. What a ride!? So what do we see when we look deeper?…

Commodities (ex natural gas), emerging markets, and tech certainly pop out. Interestingly, I’m not sure they are telling the same story. Tech tends to be low debt companies. Earlier today Goldman even upgraded Dell and hinted that investors should revisit tech. Companies would be pulling back on some tech investing in the current environment, except…Except for productivity enhancing tech or cost saving tech. Remember, a lot of companies still have cash on their balance sheet from a year of decreased transactions. Stock buy-backs and dividends aren’t where the companies want to spend their cash because re-issuing shares down the line seems questionable at this stage. Large acquisitions are out of the question. So, what’s left?

Commodity related industries tend to be capital intensive and they’re certainly levered to any growth. Yet, in an environment like this, growth assumptions are low or negative for most of the world, so I doubt that the argument holds. Instead, maybe the answer lies in the expectation that inventories need to be rebuilt. Over the past 18 months, despite the consumer slowdown, production levels decreased even faster and inventories have shrunk to the point where any pickup could send producers scrambling. Who’s facing the shortest inventory? Not surprisingly, our old auto industry is front and center. Once again, the US auto manufacturers are going to get caught flat-footed. They’ll finally face a little bit of demand, but not enough capacity will be on line and commodity prices will have gotten away from them.

Anyway, TBT continues to grind lower and any “investors” left in it, should see some of our previous postings on levered ETF’s. It will slowly grind away at your returns, even if the direction is correct. (I do not own TBT nor do I own it in client accounts.) I’ll speak more about the bonds complex next week, but I have to admit that everyone and their brother is telling me about bonds with equity like returns, but sitting at the top of the capital structure. I think the “easy money” of buying solid bonds at 60 to 70 cents on the dollar is gone. Now you’re in for a grind with the smartest guys in the room. Maybe that 8-9% yield on a BBB credit is OK given that Treasuries are paying 3%, but when Treasuries go to 6% (not a far stretch) these will go down much farther and much faster. Do you really think the yield will go down? So you’re clipping a nice coupon, which is well and good as long as they pay, but if California can default so can that from AA company. And if you think the economy will improve, better to get the leverage in the equity. It’s probably at decade lows (using a representative BBB company).

Barron’s has mentioned it. The Big Picture has mentioned it. So you should at least be aware of it. Last year, Rogoff and Reinhart wrote an analysis of financial crises and the impacts on different asset classes: Aftermath. The basic conclusion: in the aftermath of a financial crisis, asset classes show higher correlation and there are very few places to park. Equities and real estate and bonds and whatever all face severe headwinds. All of that was to say, watch out for the 8% bonds. It might just be a trap.

More thoughts on TBT

For starters, I received a lot of feedback on my post 2 weeks ago where I mentioned feeling uncomfotable with TBT. We didn’t get out much higher than here, but I can tell you that I still feel uncomfortable with TBT as the vehicle of choice. There are 3 questions that we ask ourselves at each juncture:

  1. What is the investment thesis?
  2. Is this thesis the best allocation of our cash at this time?
  3. Is this the right vehicle to implement our thesis?

The thesis behind TBT (for us, at least) is that at some point foreign governments will require higher interest rates, that at some point investors in general will want to sell some of their Treasury holdings, that at some point government spending will outstrip the US borrowing capacity, and other variations of the same theme. That thesis may or may not be right at these levels, but at some point in the future there is a good chance (again, in our minds) that this will occur. Second, is this thesis worth an allocation? Yes. Simply put, there is a higher return associated with this thesis than keeping our money in cash. Lastly, is TBT the right vehicle? Not for us. Multiple things are working against TBT as our vehicle of choice. For starters, the levered nature and daily resets work against us and eat our returns. Next, TBT has been the vehicle of choice for hedge funds and retail investors alike, and we don’t like being in the same trade as so many others. Lastly, there is more return available in understanding why Treasuries will rally or sell-off and implementing THAT thesis rather than just taking a short Treasuries (long TBT) position.

THAT thesis that I’m mentioning is more convoluted, and has been the ongoing debate on these pages of inflation vs. deflation, currency death sprials, etc. Until we get a handle on THAT thesis, we’re staying on the sidelines. For us, that’s the right trade; maybe because it is also the hard trade.

Moody’s may downgrade California…

This shouldn’t be a surprise to any of us. It’s been in the works for a long time and advisors who reached for yield in muni’s will get withdrawals at the wrong time. It might lead to interesting opportunities in some of the closed-end levered muni funds.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/moodys-may-downgrade-california-a2-rating-20096191144270

Connect The Dots 06-05-09

This issue of CTD was written with significant input from Thatsabet and others. All charts and tables are from Bloomberg.

 

Equities:            The week started off with the much anticipated official bankruptcy of GM. A clear case of sell the rumor, buy the news, the market shrugged off the immediate implications and started higher. Yes, GM and C are going to be replaced in the Dow Industrials by TRV and CSCO. The academic literature would suggest that GM and C will now go on to outperform TRV and CSCO, but this is a recap of the week. For those interested, check out New Evidence on Stock Price Effects Associated with Charges in the S&P 500 Index, by Anthony W. Lynch and Richard R. Mendenhall (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1298790) and countless others.

 

The main story this week in the equity markets was the 2-10 spread in bonds (see our bonds summary). The moves in bonds and FX are signaling some big mispricings (adjustments?). For starters, check out this chart:

EUR/JPY SPX

 

This is the SPX and EUR/JPY. EUR/JPY is the ultimate carry pair and has been a pretty good barometer of risk in the global markets. While the rise of EUR/USD is at politically sensitive levels after the recent rise, the JPY is also at critical levels. Thatsabet believes that should the 94.5 level be violated, it might lead to an unwind in the EURJPY which in turn could cause an unwind and lead to pressure on global equities.

 

Thatsabet also points out that many people like Japanese equities here for a long-term investment. The Japanese are 20 years ahead of us in their path to clear the imbalances of bubbles. The chart below shows the correlation of the US 10-year yield and the NKY. Depending on the cause of the rise in US yields, the JPY could get stronger as Japanese repatriate their currency and drive their local markets higher. Full disclosure, I have been increasing exposure in client accounts to small cap Japanese equities for the past few months for fundamental, valuation reasons, but this confirms some of our initial hypotheses. The Japanese small cap stocks represent some of the best value opportunities globally at this juncture. We have been buying JOF and other yen exposure.

NKYTNX

 

This week is full of charts because the pictures really capture a thousand words. So three more charts:

 

First, SPXFX – This is the SPX from the March lows until now valued in different currencies. In USD terms, we have experienced the biggest rally since the 1930’s, yet in AUD terms, the market is only up roughly 5%. The currency markets are not confirming the equity strength and are calling into question the US’s ability to fund its future liabilities.

SPXFX

 

Second, XLFSPX – This is what the banks (XLF) have done relative to the SPX since 07. This spread is still trending lower until we see that .15 is decisively taken out. More time is needed in order to determine the validity of this rally. Thatsabet compared buying XLF here to buying XLK (technology) in 2001.

XLFSPX

 

Lastly, let’s head to the emerging markets. From 2003 to 2007, with reflation and decoupling a virtual given, the emerging markets continued to outperform relative to the SPX. Then, the world stopped. EEM fell off a cliff (at a rate significantly faster than the SPX – remember this is the ratio of EEM:SPX). Just as violently, the ratio shot right back up. Thatsabet defines himself as a cautious decoupler. I personally don’t believe the decoupling trade or mentality. I believe that the interconnected nature of the currency, bond, and equity markets along with labor mobility, decrease in international trade barriers, etc. means that decoupling is not the driver of the trade. It’s the reason we look at NKY and TNX and examine the interconnectedness of markets now more than ever. Decoupling will be a topic we discuss at greater length in the next few weeks.

EEMSPX

 

 

Bonds:              LQDTLT – This is what being long LQD (Corporate Debt) and short Treasuries has produced:                           LQDTLT

 

Since the break in 4Q07, corporate debt has been in a bear mkt. What is now occurring is either an “exhale” and corporate debt is cheap (concur) or the markets are realizing that the US government has taken over the leverage from the private citizen and will have to issue more debt to fund the fiscal gaps. Thatsabet goes so far as to think that over the next several years, US GOVT yields will be higher than corporate debt and emerging market debt. I tend to disagree in the near to medium term, at least.

 

Looking at US 10-year yields, we are approaching 3.9% and may test the 4% levels. What are the implications for home refinancings, which have already slowed? What about asset allocation models for big institutions? At what point will they be comfortable with the yield and move from stocks to bonds? At what point will the higher yields be an impediment to any imminent growth? Just as critical will be the shape of the yield curve. A flat or inverted yield curve often signals a coming recession (it also makes it extremely difficult for banks to make money). We have been seeing a steepening yield curve with the 2-10 spread rising to levels not seen since the 70’s or longer. A steep yield curve implies that investors do not want to own long dated fixed income securities, often because of fear of inflation. Julian Robertson (article posted) is playing this for size. Pretty amazing seeing that it is already historically wide. He thinks yields are headed to 7% and possibly as high as 18%.

2-10 Spread 

 

Currencies:       The sentiment this week has been one of mixed messages. Dollar negative news continues, with gold rallying, yet no clear winner on the other side. The Euro continues to face its own headwinds, despite some recent strengths, and no viable alternative to the USD. The GBP is going through its own issues with Gordon’s government facing mounting pressures. Safe havens are becoming scarce.

 

Commodities:   Check out the CRB in USD and EUR since Mid Feb (prior to rally). Broad index is up only 10% vs 25% in USD. The affects from USD weakness is being felt more by the US and USD fixed currencies. Either the USD catches a bid and fast or the world better quickly adjust to ever higher CRB prices. CRBFX

 

This is gold in USD AUD EUR JPY since the start of the 4Q08 selloff. Gold is positive in every FX to the tune of 20% except JPY which has been bid due to the carry unwind. I expect the XAUEUR to be the next blast off as the EURUSD is bound to correct. With everyone focused on DXY and the 78-80 level one needs to understand that the index is 57% EUR. The EU members will be finding it difficult to export with such a strong FX. A correction is in the cards.GOLDFX

 

On the energy front, oil is hitting the $70 mark and being used as evidence of a recovery. This is a chart of Mexico’s Oil Production. Their production seems to have peaked in 2003 and has been steadily declining since. Can they ramp up production or is the peak theory crowd correct? If the peak oil crowd is correct, what will happen to energy prices when demand really does rebound?

 

Economy:         Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. US Initial Jobless Claims: We are currently at the highest level since 1979 (give or take). With today’s figures out, the unemployment rate is at 9.4%. That’s almost 1 in 10 people unemployed AND that’s with the numbers calculated very differently than 30 years ago. At the same time, Steve Ballmer of Microsoft threatened to move jobs abroad if the current administration continues to move towards making it prohibitively expensive to hire workers in the US. With labor movement into the US reversing as opportunities in emerging markets relative to the US increase, where will the growth come from? From where will we get the young people needed to balance our aging population. Note this chart was from yesterday and doesn’t include this mornings numbers.

Jobless Claims

 

And to top it off, our usual performance tables…first, are the major markets we’re following, and second are the main sectors’ performances relative to the S&P500.

Market Monitor 6-5-09

 

Movers Relative to S&P500 6-5-09

 

What if we’re wrong?

When managing portfolios, understanding our personal biases is crucial and we need to continually question our own framework. To that end, I pose the simple question…”What if we’re wrong?”

Here’s the current thesis/set of themes/framework I and some of my colleagues are working under:

  • The US overconsumed. Trend is ending. World trade plunges.
  • Overconsumption was funded by the international community, and they get fed up and are unwilling to sell to US on credit any longer.
  • Real estate crashes. Credit crunch. Asset deflation globally.
  • World tries to inflate through printing money, quantitative easing, misdirected Keynesian government spending. Fails in the short-term, so governments borrow more.
  • Long-term, the world governments will succeed and fiat currencies around the world will face inflation or hyperinflation. Hard assets, such as gold will rise, Treasuries will go down.
  • US debt spirals out of control, while the debt-to-equity ratio buries future generations leading to massive tax hikes or devaluation of USD or both. Europe…who knows if the euro will even survive. Asia is the worlds hope, but not a dependable one. Social unrest globally is not unlikely, maybe even war.
  • In a decade or two, the world finds a new stabilization point. Baby boomer generation begins decreasing in size and prominence on the world stage. New technologies and trade will emerge. Some Asian countries will benefit, others will fall behind. Europe and the US will find firmer footing.
  • Another cycle begins.

So, with that in mind, what if our view is totally wrong. What if…

  • US consumer increases savings rate to 25% overnight. World trade takes a one-time hit. Deep recession ensues. Governments stop funding US, but savings rate makes up for it.
  •  World trade plunges, but so does the pressure on any protectionist measures.
  • Severe recession, with very limited demand for credit, but it stays cheap!
  • Mild inflatioin takes root, but excess capacity that has been building up in the past 18 months absorbs the shock.
  • Technological advances reach more industries as they try to increase productivity.  
  • Voters demand that the federal government follow state government procedures and balance the budget. This leads to a stable USD, and maintains the USD as the world reserve currency.
  • Medicare and Social Security benefits begin at at 72. AARP decides NOT to revolt because they planned on working a few more years anyway and they don’t want to screw over their grandchildren. Funding gap is narrowed overnight.
  • A virtuous cycle is started.

There are other scenarios. The thought exercise is to highlight that there is a chance that the US economy and the world economy are more resilient than doomsday scenarios would have us believe. I do believe that the US economy is long-term resilient, but I worry about the direction we are heading.

Check out this chart from Casey Research:

The Federal Government Will Have to Monetize the Gaps

It will be difficult to come out of these exponentially increasing debts without an eventual increase in long term rates. If Bill Gross is questioning the triple-A status of the US government, surely China, the Middle East, and the rest of the world are questioning the rates their getting on their paper. Even in the best case scenarios, federal tax receipts are declining by anywhere from 15-30%. In the meantime, the administration is focused on increasing government expenses rather than investments (the former is money that, once spent, has very little multiplier effect and is expensed immediately, while the latter has a large multiplier effect and the costs should be amortized over the life of the project which would help the budget).

So there is a chance we are wrong and we need to keep questioning our framework. However, at this stage, it’s tough to see the framework being challenged. When placing not just probability, but expected returns on different scenarios, the risk is still to the downside for the markets and the economy.

ECB’s Bini Smaghi Says Market Mistrust May Hit States

GOVT BONDS (over 2yrs in duration) should be avoided imho.

Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — European Central Bank board member Lorenzo Bini Smaghi said he’s concerned investors could lose confidence in governments unless they contain spending, raising the threat of a crisis in national finances.

“There is a risk that the mistrust that there is today in financial markets, in the banking system, is transformed into mistrust in states,” Bini Smaghi told the European Parliament in Brussels today. That could hobble the ability of some countries to issue debt, which would be a “financial crisis of the state.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aUm28o7reu_8&refer=home

China to stick with US bonds

The Chinese might be sticking with UST but that doesnt mean I need to own them. I remain skeptical of the value in UST.

By Henny Sender in New York

Published: February 11 2009 23:33 | Last updated: February 11 2009 23:33

China will continue to buy US Treasury bonds even though it knows the dollar will depreciate because such investments remain its “only option” in a perilous world, a senior Chinese banking regulator said on Wednesday.

China has used the dollars it accumulates selling manufactured goods to US consumers to accumulate the world’s largest holding of Treasuries.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ba857be6-f88f-11dd-aae8-000077b07658.html

Marc Faber _ US will default on its debts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loa92ZG1KV8&eurl=http://www.jsmineset.com/

Posted on behalf of thatsabet…

first lower high in the bond market…should bonds rally at this point (lower ylds) it most likely will NOT bode well for stocks.  It would also possibly confirm what the GOLD market is “seeing”…that being continued deflationary forces at work.